Saab JAS 39 Gripen At Red Flag (2013)

March 26, 2013
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26 Responses to Saab JAS 39 Gripen At Red Flag (2013)

  1. Evil Merlin on March 27, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    Send me a link where SAAB says the Gripen is supercruise capable. If it was, it would be used as a marketing bullet. It is not.

  2. Evil Merlin on March 27, 2013 at 7:32 AM

    For the final time, we are NOT discussing the NG which won’t be entering service till AT LEAST 2018. We are talking about the C/D which is not super cruise capable.

  3. Norgesmann on March 27, 2013 at 6:33 AM

    Ahh, yes. I see all the experts happen to all be gathered in the youtube comments section. Strange. They always seem to be!

  4. dunderogbrak on March 27, 2013 at 6:10 AM

    Well, actually Gripen C/D is supercruise capable but not fully loaded and as we all say “it depends on the weather”(temperature). Unofficially I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also supercruise capable w/pylons & armament… Back in 2008 they supercruised them all over the Baltic sea, so even though you get only transsonic cruise fully loaded, I still see them as supercruise capable.

  5. Evil Merlin on March 27, 2013 at 5:53 AM

    Funny, SAAB reports the first official Supercruise with the Gripen to be in 2009 in the Demo aircraft which was the first prototype NG. Not a C/D. Now tell us why SAAB would be reporting that this was the first successful Supercruise flight. Colonel Eldh’s report was… suspect at best.

  6. Evil Merlin on March 27, 2013 at 5:05 AM

    And to clarify, the “cold weather” flights required the Grippen C to get to supersonic using the can. Once the afterburner pushed it over supersonic, they throttled back out of burn and stayed supersonic as long as it remained cold. That is NOT supercruise.

  7. mongdex on March 27, 2013 at 4:26 AM

    Love planes with front canards.

  8. dunderogbrak on March 27, 2013 at 4:25 AM

    Ok, those darn CHEATERS used burner to get supersonic…. Now, I strongly doubt that they could stay supersonic as long as it remained cold though, winter is pretty long. LMAO
    Anyway, as I said initially, the Gripen does have supercruise capabilities.

  9. Patrick Lundström on March 27, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    I’m not sure the C version of the Gripen has been updated with the super cruise engine. If you have such info, pls share! :)

  10. Patrick Lundström on March 27, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    JAS 39C Gripen. Not J-39. :)

  11. Patrick Lundström on March 27, 2013 at 2:04 AM

    The difference between the F414 and F141G engine isn’t that big. Some C might have been upgraded with the improved, super cruise engine. I can’t find anything to support that, but it’s not impossible. Volvo Aero say they improve on the RM12 and a slow upgrade of the C/D version was ordered in 2010 stretching to 2013, it’s not clear what that upgrade contains (again, might be engines).
    Who knows…?

  12. 0MoTheG on March 27, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    So much angle to rotate.

  13. Evil Merlin on March 27, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    The Gripen DOES NOT HAVE SUPERCRUISE CAPABILITIES. Supercruise is CLEARLY defined as sustained supersonic flight of an aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently and without the use of afterburners. The JAS-39 needed afterburners to go supersonic, thus it did not supercruise.

  14. Evil Merlin on March 27, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    None of the C models are fitted with the 414! They are all fitted with the RM12. Period.

  15. Evil Merlin on March 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    It hasn’t been. Both the C and the D models of the Gripen still use the RM12 engines. The 414G has not been licensed by Volvo yet.

  16. dunderogbrak on March 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    Yes it does have supercuise. You said so yourself.

  17. Patrick Lundström on March 26, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    And GKN? That own Volvo Aero?
    Since the Gripen NG has super cruise, some license papers must have been signed?

  18. Evil Merlin on March 26, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    No it does not. It can only hold supersonic without afterburners after being taken there ON afterburners, and in perfect weather conditions. It does not have true supercruise.

    • Felix on April 17, 2013 at 1:24 PM

      You do understand that the speed of sound is not some magical quantum leap right? That a plane flying 50 km/h below the speed of sound,and another flying 50 km/h above the speed of sound. Are flying almost identical speeds.

      It’s just because you sound as if the difference would make a huge deal in an engagement, while in reality it is an arbitrary benchmark. People like it because they are rewarded with a large boom, but that’s it. If the difference is 100 km/h, then that’s the factual difference and that’s it.

  19. Evil Merlin on March 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    The NG isn’t even in production yet.
    I have seen no license agreements for the 414 yet, and those tend to be rather big things that make the news for both manufacturers. Manufacturers lend engines all the time as needed to prove that its worth signing an agreement with.

  20. Patrick Lundström on March 26, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    There is one NG and it was used to prove that super cruise works. GKN and Volvo Aero says they don’t need the G to do it, what I’m saying is facts, before “I am sure”… ;)

  21. yelio on March 26, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Oh get a room you guys.
    Supercruise or not, enjoy the fucking video instead

  22. Evil Merlin on March 26, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    I’m not saying the NG doesn’t supercruise. It can, and it has since 2009. I’m saying the EXISTING JAS-39 C/D’s cannot. Supercruise is WELL defined as sustained supersonic flight of an aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently and without the use of afterburners. The existing C/D cannot supercruise as it requires afterburners to break the sound barrier.

  23. dunderogbrak on March 26, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Gripen can go supersonic without A/B too. Probably not in level flight but there were times when they got complaints for going supersonic in low level flight when former Viggen pilots were training Gripen. Gripen has supercruise.

  24. Steve Smith on March 26, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Is that a FLIR at :44? under the fuselage.

  25. CockpumpVideo on March 26, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    its a LITENING pod…it has a FLIR Sensor..a CCD Camera and a Laser Designator/Range Finder…pretty handy piece of kit really…



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